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#109 – “Flawful Conduct”



First things first, last week’s voter image is available here; and for this week we have a (fairly quick) assembly of the group in Stormwind.

So this page – overall, there were a few shots that ended up changed from the concept down to practical; nothing unusual, but it signifies how sometimes it’s hard to visualize everything with just dialogue. Of course, the focus hasn’t changed and this is one (and its immediate sequel) is one of those pages I’ve been looking forward to get to, largely because of Te’len.

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46 Responses to “#109 – “Flawful Conduct””


  1. 1 Dreddlox
    May 10, 2009 at 17:26

    Awesome as always, i also loved Tiny’s comment

  2. 2 Wilsonator
    May 10, 2009 at 17:45

    Yeehaw! Coz’ she’s a badass Nelf who doesn’t take no crap from no Y-chromosomes.

  3. 4 Udûn-Khadgar
    May 10, 2009 at 18:57

    Nice job on the look in Hani’s eyes in the seventh pane, in my opinion, the look really needs no further explaination. A real look like: Hmm?.. what is she doing? Really love that look! And also have to agree with Dreddlox, great comment from Tiny. Really gives the whole scene some humour, which I think is perfect.
    And by the way, this page truly shows how Te’len handles situations, and somehow the subtle approach she has, is very fitting.

  4. May 10, 2009 at 19:35

    Well done! I loved the third panel, all the people watching at the Night Elfs and the guards. =D

    – Lora

  5. 6 Messai
    May 10, 2009 at 20:53

    Tiny: 1 Sw Guard: clueless.

    loving the face on the 7th panel :D

    but is Te’len bluffing and getting them into more trouble or is she really on business? thought she got ”gently” kicked out alongside Hani :o

  6. 7 Weertangel
    May 10, 2009 at 21:40

    Well, at least i’m glad that Te’len is taking some actions, couse if u leave things to the dynamic duo, u’ll have a slaughter in no time!
    and i agree with the ppl above, it really looks great!!

    and @ Angus, i’m in frostwisper EU server :) Got a badd-ass draenei shammy and a evil female warlock as main chars ;)

    btw, i just got another question Hnani, how would they react if something like a human warlock would want to join their party? and i mean the uncorrupted type(they do exist u know)

    • 8 Nhani
      May 10, 2009 at 22:39

      To be honest, speaking about “uncorrupted warlocks” is akin to speaking of unaddicted smokers – it’s not a question of whether they’re addicted or not (they are) but rather how much, how well they can resist it and ultimately how easilly they could quit.

      All that said though, while Te’len is generally diplomatic, Hani isn’t; seeing the kind of values Night elves would’ve been brought up with, I’d imagine mere arcanists alone would be enough to make young Foonmall suspicious and on edge, nevermind full-fledged felwielders. I think to her, both reek (in some abstract, subconcious kind of way) – it’s simply a question of how strongly.

      She’s not beyond learning to tolerate people of course, but I really have a hard time imagining a Warlock who’d be able to win the groups trust while still actually trafficing with demons.

  7. 9 Moltrazahn
    May 10, 2009 at 21:58

    Ahh, gone for 4 days, and im really pleased with the last two pages, precisly as i tought it would turn out! (those stormwind guards just pop out from nowere dont you agree?!:D) what i do like even more within the last two pages, is that they show rather well the personality of each of the group, and its such great eksamples really, that i think ill go reveiw them again ^^

    Smooth job Nhani! Smoooooth ;P

  8. May 11, 2009 at 00:16

    @Nhani
    Another masterpiece,.. well done,..
    But would the duo/trio accept any humans in their party for a longer time,..?
    i got the idea that tiny didn’t realy care much for the human pallys they ran into earlier,..

    @ Weertangel
    I`m usualy on the european Azjol-Nerub server with 10 characters.
    I do not realy have a main, but (Angus) Flamestone (a dwarven hunter) is the guildleader, but Daene, my draenei DeathKnight is my strongest character at this moment.
    But I do have more characters, alliance and horde on different servers.
    And then a lot of character ideas for that website i`m building, but i think most of them will never exsist in-game.

    • 11 Nhani
      May 11, 2009 at 07:10

      Tinys’ opinion on Delgren doesn’t really have anything to do with him being human or paladin though. ;)

      She’s just characteristically unresonable – she’s yet to forgive him for ‘letting’ Te’len get abducted and him subsequently failing to rescue her – completely ignoring how Maestra’s Post was just barely left standing, or how the fires hadn’t even been put out yet.

  9. 12 Piastol
    May 11, 2009 at 06:57

    I really like the humans face in the second panel *smirks*

    And I simply LOVE the crowd… the fact they’re looking different each time!

  10. 13 Weertangel
    May 11, 2009 at 08:30

    Angus, your a guildleader??? damn talk about a stressfull job, and building a website to. u sure know how to take it on.

    I’ve mainly been a tactics officer in some guilds, and i’m famous for my voice on vent who many pll swear just sounds like Arnold Swartznegger,so i’m quite the popular guy.

    Would something for this comic, while wandering they encounter a guy who’s screaming GET IN THA CHOPPA! ;)

  11. 14 Person6
    May 11, 2009 at 09:11

    The one thing I’m supprised about it yes there is a crowd, but generally when something like this goes in, at least a few people turn their heads, but it seems as if no one’s interested. Everyone’s a little nosey.

    Secondly it seems Hani and Te’len are a good combination. Hani is the physical side, Te’len is the emotional/diplomatic side. Tiny is the physical embodiment of Hani’s mind…well another side of Hani’s mind, because otherwise she’d be schitzophrenic.

    • 15 Nhani
      May 11, 2009 at 09:21

      You can feel free to blame author procrastination – I put in a few turning their heads, but since I didn’t feel like I had the space to shove in a “There’s nothing to see here, move along!” moment, I felt I could get lazy and have most of the crowd be in a hurry going to wherever extras go when off duty. Doing any kind of posing work within a crowd that large is unfortunately not a very trivial thing!

  12. May 11, 2009 at 10:01

    @ Nhani
    Yea, alright, thats Tiny for you,..
    I just hope she won’t judge all humans by her opinion of Delgren.
    Have any of our 3 heroes been in Stormwind (or any part of the Eastern Kingdom) befor?
    I`m very sure Te’len hasn’t,..

    @Weertangel
    lol,..
    it`s not that bad.
    It`s not a very big guild, it started as a joke (between my real life brother and me).
    And i`m taking my time with the webpages, no-one is watching it, so there isn`t much rush.
    If you`re curiouse about what i`m making, just click on my name here beside the portrait, it should link you. Don’t expect to much tho, it`s still very much “work in progress”.

  13. 17 Udûn-Khadgar
    May 11, 2009 at 10:04

    Going a bit back now in the discussion… the warlock part. I agree that it would probably be very hard for a full shadow-wielding demon-afflicted warlock, not to mention the demonologists who turn into demons theirselves, to gain the trust of the duo. As I see things now, the only way of that happening would be by helping the duo out of a very big mess. Considering that Hani is very skilled in the fight, it is already hard to find such a mess anywhere. Also, if the warlock is going to help in such a situation, he or she must also be very skilled in combat. I think the best way to win the duo’s trust, would be by earning their respect in combat. And then even very few are able to make trust out of this respect. Would be a hell of a job to get a good reputation with those 2, no offence to Hani and Tiny though, their are great!

  14. 18 Udûn-Khadgar
    May 11, 2009 at 10:19

    And by the way, the reason why I made a full theory on the warlock part? Just because my main was a warlock should quite much explain it. Further on I also have the 9 other classes on the Alliance side on the Khadgar server, representing all races. But the warlock is my main and will very probably always be my favourite (though the other classes are also fun to play). Haven’t been playing lately though, am on a sort of break untill there is time again to relax and when my money supply is sufficient. So like the warlocks, being fully corrupted or less… If that also counts for WoW-players, I leave it to you guys to conclude how dependent I am of WoW, knowing that I have stepped out of it, without any side-effects… Still love the setup of the game and all the other great things, but more as a piece of inspiration for my drawings.

  15. 19 Yerdiss
    May 11, 2009 at 10:28

    Do I hear a challenge there? Send in teh Gruul! *Trumpets*

  16. 22 Udûn-Khadgar
    May 11, 2009 at 17:41

    If they ever end up facing Gruul, I think Gruul is going to get a crack in his skull that hurts more than anything he could ever immagine… lets consider that the big brute is able of immagining something, shall we, else this gets too complicated. Poor Gruul!

  17. 23 Nhani
    May 11, 2009 at 17:51

    Shadow of the Colossus moment!!

    Though in this case, teh Gruul actually refers to Grolly, Yelnenu Gnome Warlock. The nickname actually spawned a rather awesome image.. let’s see.. here (provided photobucket doesn’t run out of bandwith, in which case I’ll move it here)

  18. 25 John Kindelan
    May 11, 2009 at 17:53

    How do you get that navigation bar in your post?

    • 26 Nhani
      May 11, 2009 at 17:58

      I paste the appropriate links for it in manually for each post, actually – a real bother to do, but at the lack of any better solution, it was the easiest way I found – so far as the permalinks don’t change it works, atleast.

      So no incredible, magic solution I’m afraid, as much as I’d love there to be one ;)

  19. 27 John Kindelan
    May 11, 2009 at 18:19

    Any chance you’d share the link for me to post in mine?

    • 28 Nhani
      May 11, 2009 at 18:35

      Oh it’s directly to the individual posts in question. So taking this particular post, the very top header ends up looking like:
      <a HREF=”https://beyondthetree.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/all-adventures-start-somewhere/”><img SRC=”https://beyondthetree.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/nav-fa.png” /></a><a HREF=”https://beyondthetree.wordpress.com/2009/05/07/108-do-you-mind/”><img SRC=”https://beyondthetree.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/nav-pa.png” /></a><img SRC=”https://beyondthetree.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/nav-nia.png” /><img SRC=”https://beyondthetree.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/nav-lia.png” />

      All direct references to the permalinks of the first, previous and next pages, so I have to manually edit the links for the old latest page when I add a new one so the next button will actually lead somewhere. I’ve got the basic structure saved in a text document so it’s just paste the permalink for the post I want the navigation button to link to and then then paste the combined result into the post.

      Like said, no magic tricks – it’s all done by hand for every specific post. I just link to them manually.

  20. 29 Udûn-Khadgar
    May 11, 2009 at 20:03

    Hmm, the Gnome Warlock… Gnome Warlocks are always surprising for their size, and respect to the gnomes for not fearing their huge demons (from their perspective). I appreciate my warlock a bit equal sized with my felguard, so I picked Udûn the Human Warlock for that… but everyone his own taste, the variation makes it more fun. And thinking about gnomes and their demons, they have at last found out a way to become a bit bigger! Demon Form, those gnomes have never felt that huge.

    Continue the great work Nhani, brings up nice subjects and feeds the immagination.

  21. 30 Weertangel
    May 12, 2009 at 08:42

    Well, since we are still going on about the warlock thingy, i must again say that uncorrupted warlocks do exist,otherwise all the ingame locks would be working for the burning legion and we would be killing alliance and horde ppl instead of doing the standard hero job :)

    Besides, its also an Variant class in the Horde’s player guide, so i’m not making this up alone.
    Also, if they could’t stand warlocks, can u imagine how they would respond to broken free Death Knights??

    • 31 Nhani
      May 12, 2009 at 09:18

      I maintain that ‘uncorrupted’ is a misnomer – corruption isn’t a binary value. And though I haven’t actually read the Horde Player’s Guide, I did read the quick Wowwiki quote on that entry just now, and it – atleast thematically – sounds like what I’ve been trying to say – it’s not that they’re uncorrupted so much as they resist the corruption – which isn’t a one-off thing but a constant battle they’ll never escape from so long they wield such powers. The ones that actually can keep up that battle for long are far and few in between.

      It’s part of what makes the class archetype interesting really, that struggle between dual natures, and to take that away from it is to gut it into something lesser.

      As for Death Knights, they’re somewhat interesting in that they – unlike Warlocks – didn’t have a choice; they were awakened against – and without – their own will and then had to go from there. Of course, like most people I’d imagine, the duo aren’t all that likely to know or even care at all about that little difference.

  22. 32 Weertangel
    May 12, 2009 at 08:47

    Oh! i forgot! all go sign up on Angus his site! he has a guestbook there :) just click on his name to get there.

  23. 33 Weertangel
    May 12, 2009 at 09:36

    Still,u have to admit, to actually meet such an warlock would make for some interesting confersations don’t u think? i mean, the trio is struggling with their exile, and that person with something similar, they would have more in common then u think(i’m just looking at this from someone who has no idea what u have planned for them, so don’t take it to seriously)

  24. 34 Arafor
    May 12, 2009 at 11:17

    One could take into account that “corrupted” doesn’t necessarily mean “corrupted into joining the burning legion as a mindless slave doing the demons bidding.” I would say that most people on the real planet as well as those in the game are corrupted; corrupted into giving into their desires, corrupted into hating one other. Corrupted straight through their hearts for; greed, fame and nightelf boobies.

    Since we were on the subject :3

  25. 35 Udûn-Khadgar
    May 12, 2009 at 13:55

    I agree with Nhani that warlocks are corrupt, and that leads to the next: Warlocks can be divided into the ones willing to do good and those that are willing to do evil. The evil ones often join demonic afflicted cults or the Burning Legion, while giving up the fight against the dark energies and become one with them. Those that are good-willing are mostly hero’s or enemies of demons, who wield these dark powers, equal to the ones of their enemies, to do what they think is good, while always in a struggle to maintain control and be master of the dark energies, instead of being controlled by them. This last group can be very pure of heart, and I think that’s even a requirement, because else they would fall to the temptation of power to soon. A warlock that can stay in control of his own soul and can master the powers of darkness at the same time is good, though still corrupted with fel energies.

    Deathknights then? Haven’t played them a lot, but a reanimated dead guy surely will rise suspicion by most people, not yet talking about the trio. Their story of being reanimated, and trained if they prove to be strong enough to do the Lich King’s bidding, gives them the reputation of being a weapon of evil. Though the ones that have broken free of Arthas’/Ner’zhul’s control are, as the Warlocks, good willing and as far as that is to be said of a dead man, pure of heart. They also decided to fight at the right side, though they do not resist the dark powers, just the Lich King. I think they are more corrupted than the Warlocks, but who cares, nothing dark can cause fear nor can control a dead warrior who knows no fear and soul purpose has been to dominate.

    • 36 Silvercrow
      May 14, 2009 at 19:27

      I have read the comments on Death Knights. I play one called Silvercrow. I did a lot of reading up on the lore from the servers online and also refreshed my memory of the plot with Arthas in Warcraft 3.

      My take on them is okay they are technically dead and where once on possesion of a soul. Silvercrow has depth and unlike a lot of the people who do play a DK mine has some past to him and he also has some memories of being alive. He will not drink if he does it’s rare because he knows that alchahol even in small amounts will cause him to become enraged or have bad dreams. That said he also sleeps little as well due to the fact his mine regresses back to the time he was a Death Knight under the Lich King and the dreams are bad and mostly of him slaughtering people who where with the Scarlet Crusade. Intrestingly with Silvercrow is he does not blame the innocent people who where with the Scarlet’s at Tyr’s Hand where he killed them rather he blames the Scarlets themselves for even daring to think they could take on the will of him and his breatheren.

      Silvercrow knew he would not ever lose the powers he has gained but he also knows having fought to gain his free will he will never again align himself with the Lich King. That was made all the more clearer with the quests in Icecrown and learning the fate of Illidan and Arthas and Illidan’s attempt to kill Arthas.

      I am sorry if this is a bit long winded but having played a Death Knight for some months and also learning about the stigma the class get’s and the way in which other races even your own treats you intially in world got me thinking and so did the thoughts on this post about them and the silmilarties with Warlocks. I have made Silvercrow estienally a force for good and he will defend the weak and innocent the hilt even if he has to die in the process. He may not fear death but he does everything within in his power to prevent any force for true evil from wipeing out life.

      Just my two pence on Death Knight’s and also Silvercrow now is my main on WoW

      • October 8, 2009 at 03:38

        Udûn,
        the Catholic response to your postition on warlocks can be summed up with a couple of moral shorthand rules:

        1. You cannot achieve good ends if you are using evil means.
        2. Avoid temptation and near occasions of sin.

        Warlocks clearly fail on both. They have chosen to make pacts and bargains with beings who sincerely and completely wish their destruction, as well as that of the rest of Azeroth’s people.

        Death knights are in a different situation, as their status was imposed upon them against their will. If there is any issue with them, it is the use of powers given to them by Arthas, that do not respect the dignity of other persons. And no, I’m not going to try to figure out which of their powers that encompasses. Well, except to say that creating undead minions surely fails that test.

  26. May 12, 2009 at 19:13

    I’m surprised.

    This is the first instance where I don’t like Hani and Tiny. At all.

    It just seems to typical of the ‘badass’ archetype that gets played out and the people think they can do whatever they like. Seriously, I wouldn’t bat an eyelash if Hani and the little snark machine got tossed into jail.

    It’s one thing to be assertive and standing up for oneself, it’s another to act like one is above the rule of law. You’d think Hani woulda figured it out after she slugged Staghelm.

    • 39 Nhani
      May 12, 2009 at 20:41

      I think in a way that’s a good observation to make.

      While the duo are intended to be the ones we’re by large supposed to root for, they’re not always good people: they cross lines, and sometimes not even for all that good reasons.

      They’re not static, however – there’s a certain discovery, a certain realization they have to make before certain things can change. The seeds have already been sown, but they’ve yet to grow. The duo has a long journey ahead.

      • 40 Arafor
        May 13, 2009 at 10:40

        I don’t see how this could come as a surprise to you. It’s perfectly logical behavior for Hani to act like this. She’s coldblooded and cares nothing for strangers who do things she considers wrong.

        Her attempting to dislocate or break the hand of a person who forces himself on a ‘friend’ she’s put in her mind to protect is predictable behavior. She also have a deep respect for guards however, whether she likes it or not, and if they wish to take over she’d gladly let them. Of course, as she sees it that male was the only one who did anything wrong.

        I think our young druidess just saved Hani from a long term punishment, btw.

  27. 41 Yerdiss
    May 12, 2009 at 21:56

    *s* I’m glad dallanna posted this. It’s the most sensible response to this action, imo. And it makes the human guard’s response all the more… eh… human :) It IS shocking to see such wanton violence follow by such an apathic response when they’re called to order.

    Indeed, Nhani, a long journey awaits the duo, it seems. And I shall be following it eagerly!

  28. 42 Udûn-Khadgar
    May 13, 2009 at 10:12

    Change takes time, as you made clear already Nhani. Luckily, most of us have time, so take your time in making the long journey. Haste has never improved the making of a good story, which this is in my opinion.

    Continue the great work!

  29. May 19, 2009 at 03:20

    Hey guys. I just stumbled upon this blog. Cool!

  30. 44 Cyan
    August 23, 2010 at 21:53

    What kind of druid doesn’t know thorns? I kept expecting the human to pull back a torn up hand as the bristles errupted from her wrist or something

  31. 45 Sarista
    June 10, 2011 at 12:37

    A high elf mage would also be kind of cool they would have their own struggles with the magic addiction unless they had a sun ring and are dislike by a decent number of people in the alliance either because of blood elves or because they are not a major power any more just a suggestion though.

  32. August 11, 2014 at 17:27

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