#168 – “Explosive Results”

If I were to mention the one thing I consider probably the greatest weakness of Beyond the Tree in terms of narrative, I’d probably say pacing – it moves along at a very modest pace and events take a significant amount of time to build up for any eventual payoff that comes later. And for all the time I spend trying to trim dialogue and events down to actually move things ahead.. it inevitably comes to situation where I find myself extending moments, situations and events just because certain beats need to be longer. Areen and Te’len were intended to be in this page – the reason they’re not is because I didn’t have enough space left for it – I needed all of it for the things that do happen; the half of the page that were their reactions postponed until next update. It’s interesting because it wasn’t pushed back because there was too much dialogue – it was because I needed the space without it.


64 Responses to “#168 – “Explosive Results””

  1. 1 TiwaZ
    January 3, 2010 at 16:45

    As great as always!

    Stupid as in taking a great risk, or stupid for alerting the entire mine of their presence?

  2. 3 Aries
    January 3, 2010 at 17:54

    hahahhaa…..thats all i can say….great sequence Nhani

  3. 4 Yerdiss
    January 3, 2010 at 18:22

    Exposition! I do quite love this page. In my humble opinion, you’ve chosen well in extending this dialog to more pages.

  4. 6 TimberWolf
    January 3, 2010 at 18:59

    Epic as always. Sometimes the stupid plans are the best plans.

  5. 7 Expala
    January 3, 2010 at 19:17

    Cant wait to see what this large explosion is going to entail for the rest of their trip. Everyone knows they’re there now… If the other henchman hasn’t told them already =P

  6. 8 Synchronizor
    January 3, 2010 at 23:52

    Tiny’s looking pretty good considering how close she was to that explosion. I was expecting some old-school Looney Tunes blackening, or at least some temporary hearing loss. Though I suppose about every line she has on this page is exclamatory, so that could be it.

    There does seem to be something odd happening with the lighting in frame 7 though, or mabye textures. The shadows on Tiny’s arm and Hani’s fingers look off somehow.

    • 9 Nhani
      January 4, 2010 at 10:40

      I think it’s the light that casts a shadow behind Tiny when she’s by the stone.. I actually cut down on the shadow it cast after that, but mainly it’s an effect of them moving from the traditional four lights environment down to like.. two lights or so. It tends to make the shadows and highlights do weird things.

  7. 10 Moltrazahn
    January 4, 2010 at 07:46

    Awww… I fell in love with the last two frames, really shows how she cares about Tiny <3.. Most wonderfull indeed, left me all fuzzy! *nodnod*

    *coughs* Anywho!…

    ill miss our defias freind :<, he had some interesting personality which i think could have gone futher, but then again, as claimed before. Mortality is real enough in BtT, and it shows (though lets not kill off a main before Te'len learns raise eh? ^^). But i love it, great page, and i think tiny really loves that she "did" just blow up two people, even though i think its more the fact that she is not just sitting on the shoulder of hani, but did something. So yea, its a nice page to show the "in-between-the-lines" of the two, hani's care for Rei and Reis eagerness by actually helping in a tight spot.

    Great reading :)

    • 11 Frostsaben
      January 4, 2010 at 09:46

      “Ah, but the Deadmines were merely a setback, did you think I’d trust my life to some fools with rifles who almost made me deaf? Oh, no, no, no, it has all lead me to this, and this time you will not interfere!”

    • 13 Nhani
      January 4, 2010 at 11:27

      Hani has an easy time putting herself at risk – she generally isn’t too concerned for her own wellbeing. With others.. it is be a different thing altogether, and when confronted with something uncomfortable that she can’t back away from or lash out against.. I think she becomes very uncertain as to how to react.

  8. 15 kashimoto'mother kashimata
    January 4, 2010 at 09:13

    In your previous page u show very very powerful explosive but some how the bad guys and the tiny survive explain to me sir for i am unble to understand your story

    what i think your graphics is very very nice and details but your story need a little improvement

    ps watch bleach and naruto


    • 16 Nhani
      January 4, 2010 at 10:52

      As much as I could probably try to bring up the physics of explosions to rationalize it, the plain and simple answer was that it was a narrative decision and the explosion was designed afterwards to evoke a response.

      Still. Presuming the barrel held something similar to gunpowder, we’re most likely talking some form of low explosive which needs to be confined to channel a resonable amount of force. In this case, we have a fire that goes up, stops at the roof, and – seeing how we’re in a rather open area of the caverns – spreads in all directions. While it generates a shockwave, it’s pretty dispersed and not really all that powerful; there’s also not much save the barrel to create any kind of shrapnel. There’s a bit of hollywood tricks involved to make a fireball that large, I think the main breach of physics here isn’t that Chekov barely survived – it’s that his hair and eyebrows did. In hindsight, I probably should’ve shown him bald and eyebrowless, but that’s hindsight for you.

      As for anime/manga for young boys.. I’m just a wee bit out of that target audience, so I’ll pass. Besides, doesn’t that kind of series bend or break physics far more often than I do?

      • 17 ju
        January 5, 2010 at 07:08

        anime or manga aren’t only for young boys. I for one i’m an adult and i still read mangas. Don’t generalize on something you don’t even fully know. It just makes you look like an ass =/

        • 18 Nhani
          January 5, 2010 at 09:18

          No, but that particular genre is. Isn’t it funny how quick some people are to assume I have no idea what I’m talking about?

          The statement “anime/manga for young boys” isn’t a generalization but a specialization; it narrows the selection down. You need to add an appropriately placed “is” to make it a generalization.

          Consider the following: “food for dogs” means a specific type of food that intended for dogs, thus dog food. “food is for dogs” means that all food is for dogs to eat, and implies other meaning beyond depending on what value you place on the term dogs.

    • 20 Synchronizor
      January 4, 2010 at 11:52

      I’ve one thing to say about Naruto:

      Ninjas do not wear orange.

      • 21 kashimoto'mother kashimata
        January 5, 2010 at 07:07

        @Synchronizor well i think its because he need to stand out if he wear all black like all the other ninja that it will be like all the same boring ninja movie.

        and also only assasin ninja or spy ninja wear black and covered their face but naruto is ninja in training so he can wear whatever he wants and naruto is a loser kid who dont follow rules thats y he dont follow the ninja dress code

    • 22 Arafor
      January 4, 2010 at 14:51

      Lol, you’re actually claiming that Naruto, of all animes, have better story then this?

      I guess it just shows that you really have to read books to appreciate a story as deep as BtT. Which is far deeper and less shallow then that of series such as naruto and bleach.

      As for gunpowder, I want to remember that it’s not quite that flashy as the fireball that was shown on the previous page (though it was understandable that it was displayed as such, has to be easy for the readers to see what it’s suppose to be.) It did however cause a lot of black dust back in the “early” stages of it’s development. A cartoony effect of everyone being covered in black/gray would actually probably be somewhat accurate. Specially considering that it was blown up in a mine that wasn’t particularly clean to begin with. It would make for a lot of work with textures though, so it would probably have been overkill.


      • 23 ju
        January 5, 2010 at 07:22

        and i guess you really have to read mangas to appreciate the story as deep as in naruto.

        I think what kashi down there meant to say was, a naruto episode won an award because of the story in that episode was just outstanding. If naruto’s story isn’t really that good, i don’t think they’ll bother making more mangas, making more animes not to mention even making more movies. Especially at something taht got released 12 years ago and is still somehow popular now. So i think we have to give naruto some credit for it’s story. At least a little bit i believe

        • 24 Nhani
          January 5, 2010 at 09:42

          I’m told the overall overhanging narrative actually ends up referring back to things that were set up a great deal of time earlier, which in the least means that there’s some degree of planning behind it, which is a good thing.

          From what I understand, a good portion of long-running series actually don’t have that kind of long-term planning – much is just made up on the spot as it goes along, which can often – though not always – lead to arcs that grow increasingly strange, overblown and ridiculous, or several forms of continuity breakage.

          It’s commendable when a series actually has planned that far ahead, or in the least picks up on what happened prior and has characters that are shaped by their experiences rather than simply returning to status quo.

      • 25 Sarista
        June 11, 2011 at 01:31

        Please do not imply that novels are some how better than a Manga or television series because that is just not so i also agree that the first season of naruto was extremely good with a well done story and a a lot of character growth. Though i despise Kishimotos approach to female character which has led me to fan fiction more than anything else with the Naruto series. Though if anyone want a anime/manga that is so good it outshines the stars and is somewhat similar to this series Kino’s journey would be the ticket. Also while with a shounen series the expected audience is young boys that is rarely the reality of the matter.

  9. 26 Frostsaben
    January 4, 2010 at 09:47

    Tiny acts like a child when they did something they think was right but it really wasn’t, it’s quite funny actually :)

  10. 27 Gwaith
    January 4, 2010 at 10:20

    Lovely page, I were positively worried about Tiny there for abit

    and Kashimoto Naruto and Bleach is hardly a good place to look for visual upgrades just kiddy stuff really and even comparing that to BtT I think is semi insulting. And in regards of anime if you want to look at something with actual storylines beyond hack’n’slash same thing rinse and repeat over and over again. Then I recomend starting to watch Seinen wich actually most of the time anyhow got a storyline worth following and not just endless fighting.

    • 28 Nhani
      January 4, 2010 at 11:05

      I’ve not been too interested in anime/manga stuff myself for quite a few years – I had a phase at one point, but it’s something that ultimately passed. Though you’re quite right, both those initially mentioned belong to a genre mainly marketed at young boys. Both are clearly successful, so they must be doing something right.. but it’s not quite the same target audience as I’m aiming for.

      To do a complete media jump, I’ve been watching Babylon 5 recently, slowly working through all five seasons. It’s rather fun listening to some of the commentary tracks and compare how I handle narratives to how J. Michael Straczynski does; by the sounds of it, he is as much about letting the characters act for themselves as I am, which I’ll take as a good sign.

      • January 4, 2010 at 16:54

        Talking about Anime, “Death Note” is a BRILLIANT series even peple who usually dislike Japanese stuff should watch. There’s nothing kiddy about it, well-drawn, no filler episodes (maybe a single one in the middle of the series, which has 37 episodes total), great plot and has enough suspense at times to make you hold your breath literally. It all happens in the normal world, not a fictional one, and has barely any action at all; the brilliance and suspense is nearly all through words.

        Oh, and if you watch it, do me a favour and don’t make the mistake of watching English dubs, but the original Japanese voices with subtitles.

        • 30 kashimoto
          January 5, 2010 at 07:09

          yup you ar right i watch death note too love the manga and anime but hate the movies


      • January 5, 2010 at 11:15

        Had to laugh a bit, im also looking through the Babylon 5 series at the moment. Great page as usual, Nhani in her own “dont know how” way shows that she really cares about her friends and travelling companions. Feel a little sorry for Tiny tho, she probably was happy about beeing useful in a more physical way than we are used to see. And not getting the response she expected.

    • 32 kashimoto'mother kashimata
      January 5, 2010 at 06:58

      @Nhani i am sorry but my english is not too good

      actually i was talking abt the story of the character development in relation to naruto and bleach not the visual effects.

      i was just confused as others have pointed out why checkov hair is not burned and the tiny was still undamaged no dirt on her or whatsoever .

      as per your comics tiny is closest to the barrel so when it explode even if she hide behind the stone the shockwave itself should have knock her out .

      your explosion create a such a big shockwave to knock two avarege human and yet it cant even move a tiny rock

      @Arafor naruto has more than million fans i dont know why hmmmm i dont think they like the comics for only drawings ,they the best story award thats y . i rest my case.


      • 33 Nhani
        January 5, 2010 at 11:04

        Ah, well chalk my misunderstanding up to using the term story when refering to visual effects.

        As for.. well.. story, I’ll admit that I’m scarcely the most experienced narrator – it’s not as if I make a living writing. That said, to a point I also think it has to do with preferences; like mentioned, Naruto and Bleach both belong to the (copying from Wiki to get the term right) shōnen genre, which does affect how they can and will be presented. Making a straight up assumption here (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) I’d imagine both of those might be a whole lot more overt and visible in what’s happening.

        Tiny has three narrative beats – three panes – to get to distance and safety. Since she’s fine, it’s implied that she did, but we aren’t shown that because if we were, we’d know she was safe.

        And here comes the key thing: at face value, this page is about how Tiny survived the explosion unscathed. Between the lines, the entire page is actually about Hani, and when she says “Stupid..” in the end – that’s not at all what she means. But.. to see all that, you have to read between the lines. If you just read Beyond the Tree at face value, then yes, it won’t be a very good or interesting story. You have to read the things that you don’t see, the things that are implied but aren’t said, to get the whole thing.

        It makes it a difficult narrative for people to get into, and I’m perfectly aware that there’s a whole lot that actually don’t like that sort of thing – that’s fine. Personally I can’t stand Tolkien, no matter how much literary genius he might be.

  11. January 4, 2010 at 10:37

    Farewell Chekov, you will be missed….

  12. January 4, 2010 at 10:38

    And also, he only had two days left untill retirement. :(

  13. 36 saila aka wester
    January 4, 2010 at 14:26

    hay Gorvar when did he get an name?
    this is of corce if not Nhani names her/his models.
    i do when i did play whit wowmodelview simpler to find the right file.

    • January 4, 2010 at 15:25

      The title of a previous Chapter was called ‘chekov’s Gunsmen’ named after a literary term.
      The name sort of sticked around i guess. I think your best choice to find him on WoW modelviewer is making him yourself.

      • 38 Nhani
        January 5, 2010 at 11:07

        I actually called him Chekov in the comments for the very first time he arrived, making a hinting nudge that we would see him again later, just not immediately so. Seeing how Beyond the Tree tends to channel Chekov’s entire arsenal, I thought it was appropriate.

  14. 39 Udûn-Khadgar
    January 4, 2010 at 20:00

    Simple, very short dialogue, though still a much saying page…
    Great as usual again I suppose =P.
    Not that that bothers me…

    Keep it up!!!

  15. 40 Elveswarrior
    January 4, 2010 at 23:29

    if you want realistic effects you should defo not look at naruto or bleach.
    to take an example bleach chars tend to spray around 10-20litres of blood doing a fight. enough to paint just about any living room. ps most humans got roughly 7 litres og blood :)

    seinen is aimed at 18-25years if i remember corretly and can contain good stories that isnt just hack’n’slash but some of them still do.

    and nhani you can become to old for manga or any book tbh. harry potter is labelled a child book in my country but il bet my WoW char that more adults then kids has read it :) *wise man mode* you’re only as old as you fell. *wise man mode off*

    and about the physics behind the explosion. chev should probably have been blasted a bit longer and his hair should be gone no doubt :) i do have some doubts the stone Tiny hides behind would still stand afterwards thou. but that can all be me not noticing some angles and depths etc. etc. etc.

    • 41 Nhani
      January 5, 2010 at 11:16

      There’s a reason I said it was a phased that passed rather than something I outgrew – anime/manga as a presentation form or collection of art styles isn’t something you really become too old for per se, and I’m definitely capable of appreciating the style or format – I’m just not all that interested in it by default.

      There’s a quote I quite like but can never recall right that goes something like “As a child I played as children do, but when I became an adult I put aside such childish things. Now when I’m older still, I can embrace those childish things once more.” That said, I was born in ’81, so I’m not that old.

      I had a phase and it passed – I just haven’t found that much interest after that. There’s the occasional example I’ll still watch – the Ghost in the Shell brand tends to produce some rather interesting mind screws for one – but my own guilty pleasures tend to be more Rescue Rangers or Darkwing Duck.

  16. 42 Synchronizor
    January 5, 2010 at 01:10

    Here is a Youtube link to a Mythbusters test of the old “powder trail” cartoon gag.

    The video shows how black powder, which is a low-speed explosive, will simply burn when not contained. At about 7:30, there’s a good example of the actual powder keg exploding. Black powder will pack enough of a punch when it’s contained in a barrel, certainly enough to knock the bad guys down and disorient them enough for Hani to make her move, which is exactly what happens in the comic. Hiding behind a rock as she was, Tiny would be safe from fragments of the barrel and other flying debris. The worst that would happen to her would be to get covered in soot and dust, (mabye getting some of it in her eyes) and she’d likely have some temporary some hearing loss (ringing in the ears, etc).

    Realistically, the explosion in the last page wouldn’t have been observed as a fireball so much as a large burst of dust and smoke. A LOT of smoke. However, a smoke cloud doesn’t really convey “EXPLOSION!!” very well in a still image, so some artistic licence on Nhani’s part there is perfectly understandable.

    Ultimately, the overemphasized fireball and lack of smoke serve the storytelling better than ultra-realistic visuals would, and the final results of the powder keg going off, such as Checkov getting knocked down and dazed, or Tiny being relatively unscathed behind the rock, were spot-on. I do think Tiny should have been a lot dirtier afterward, but I don’t really know how much work would be involved in showing that on her model.

    • 43 Nhani
      January 5, 2010 at 11:23

      Usually in hollywood explosions, they’ll record the actual explosion with a very high speed camera and then play it back much slower, taking a fireball that occurs over a fraction of a second and making it seem like this slow, intense and all-consuming flame.

      Ultimately, it was much easier to sell what happened as a noteworthy event by having a huge fireball than a cloud of dust with “boom” written on it. After all, people reacted, so it definitely hit home.

  17. 44 Ragefury
    January 5, 2010 at 01:18

    Interesting subject – I’ve been keen to many types of anime lately, and to be truly honest most of them always contain the typical “hack’n’slash” or “pervy” genre – of course, this goes for the most famous ones, and we all know there’s thousands of animes that are not like what I just mentioned at all.

    Although, I dislike people who compare manga/anime drawings with real 3D artwork, even if the anime creators spice their modern work with visual effects – remember, BtT is a one man’s work, and should not be easily looked down upon ;)

    • 45 ju
      January 5, 2010 at 07:11

      He was talking about the story in mangas not the visual effects. It really doesn’t make sense comparing things that are drawn and things that are made by 3D(pc) when talking about art.

  18. 46 ju
    January 5, 2010 at 09:39

    A quick question Nhani, do you read any other WoW related webcomics?

    • 47 Nhani
      January 5, 2010 at 10:29

      Well.. yes and no.. there’s none I really actively follow anymore, though there’s a few I check by on occasion for various reasons. Interestingly enough seeing the nature of Beyond the Tree, there’s none I follow for the narrative.

      My favourite WoW webcomic would still stand as World of Zach, even if it stopped updating over half a year ago. It was just charming, funny and everything. By contrast, while I do check on Dark Legacy on occasion.. I actually don’t find it anywhere near as funny. It’s simply not my taste in humor. Da!ly Quests is in a similar boat, though it more consistently makes me smile, and there’s something just utterly adorable about the character art. I’m not sure what it is exactly, but I just find it really warming. I’ll admit I do check the (Not safe for work) Cru the DwarF on occasion – while the content isn’t really to my tastes, his photoshopping skills are many.

      Oddly enough, I never managed to get into Looking for Group.. the world is simply too different, too alien, I think.

      • 48 Gordrake Thunderhoof
        January 6, 2010 at 17:31

        Looking For Group is very different in comparison to BtT simply because they only use the WoW character types of the Horde and nothing else. In their latest clips, they have an Undead (who’s bodyless) two Tauren (a third on the way down) a dwarf (unusually, perhaps) and an orc and an elf (who are both on the slow descent). That’s literally the ONLY connection they have to WoW and, that taken into account, makes sense in that respect. Though they did bring up the Wetlands when it came to explaining the history of the “Keepers of the Way”, which suspects a connection to the WoW universe, but that’s just me divulging hints they’ve been playing with.

        Personally I’ve become addicted to both LFG and BtT simply because of the storyline. BtT more so, in my opinion, simply because it is set in a familiar world I can relate to, filled with characters and places anyone who’s set foot in the WoW world can draw inspiration from. While the characters and the humour are equally amusing in both BtT and LFG, LFG has this new world that I sometimes find hard to track (and sometimes find myself re-reading some parts to make sense of the present) which means, for me, remembering what’s occured before to understand what they are thinking or feeling at that point.

        For myself, I got a list of comics I do read. Occasionally glance at “Teh Gladiators” but it really is too off the wall for me to understand or enjoy. And Nhani forgot to mention Tokkar’s comic as well. There is no dedicated site for that, but there are a few amusing bits to read up on. However, there doesn’t seem to be any real direction as of yet with the comic itself (save for the main character and his undead (and easily amused) friend trying to cure his sudden fear of spiders).

        And yes…still working on the story of mine. <_<; I'm just constantly hitting brick walls when I try to write it.

        • January 6, 2010 at 21:18

          I think Sohmer (guy who makes LFG) really wanted to stay out of Blizzard’s way and create a whole new fantasy realm with a mix of Warcraft, Forgotten Realms and others.
          Also Gordrake if your stuck on your story try to contact me, i’m a rather good fanfic writer.


          Have a read.

        • 50 Nhani
          January 7, 2010 at 15:27

          Ah yes, Tokkar’s I check every so often, usually from the links in his comments, actually. I don’t know if it has a steady update schedule, mind, and it likely needs some time to get going, but parts of it were actually quite funny.

          • 51 Sarista
            June 11, 2011 at 01:41

            ComplexActions is a very well drawn and humorous wow comic and i did spell that correctly trust me, World of warcraft Eh is also a fine read.

  19. 52 Nyzath
    January 5, 2010 at 16:34

    I really like your webcomics, they’re funny and original. I love the way tiny was so excited when she just did something bad xD

  20. 53 Weertangel
    January 6, 2010 at 17:28

    Nice page! curious how it goes on :)
    As for the manga subject, i like it also, but where i live(netherlands) its hard to find some of it unless u are in a big city AND know where to look,and since i only know Ghost in the Shell and streetfighter 2 really good, its hard to find out about new ones unless one knows japanese(and i don’t) so i don’t know these manga comics you guys are talking about.

    As for other good WoW comics, Might i suggest this one?
    its a really cool comic, and welldrawn also :)

  21. 54 Gordrake Thunderhoof
    January 6, 2010 at 17:53

    TINY IS SAFE! YAY! ^__^

    *coughs* Ahem!

    I have to make some comment on what was said earlier about the physics and realism of the explosion and such, and I think that everything has been spot-on so far. The only ‘missiles’ that would have been involved in the explosion are the barrel pieces (wooden shrapnel, essentially) and the flames from the gunpowder being lit in a contained environment (the barrel) which results in some fiery explosion (and, depending on the mine, would be added to by the substances in the air or on the walls, thus explaining the flames in the former page). Compare that to an example from Bleach where this guy ends up with a sword almost twice his size and then can muster the strength to cleave creatures that are like skyscrapers into half through some move that I familiarized myself with back in FF7, the claims on reality suddenly take a nosedive into the abyss.

    To finish the comment on that, I love Bleach (even if I recently turned 23) but how anyone can like some orange-sporting whining crybaby of a wannabe called Naruto I’ll never know. And I really did try to like it, tried to get into it, but I really hated the little twerp from the first episode until I decided I’d seen enough and stopped watching it. Hell, I liked Galactik Football more than Naruto, and that’s more off-the-wall! Not to mention it’s football…

    Anyways, back to the page, and I’m still lost on who or what Hani meant by “Stupid”…so many things are coming through my head here. “Stupid idea, how did it work?” “Stupid girl, risking your life in such a way.” “Stupid fool, thought you could keep us down here?” “Stupid…now we really got to get out of here before reinforcements do arrive.” Funny how Tiny seems to assume it’s directed at her, but I suspect rather highly it wasn’t intended for her because of that. Double bluff, perhaps, or was it really at her idea? Guess we might get some clearer idea on what the general train of thought was in the next page, but it’s really got the minds working hard to solve this one.

    Good work, as always. =D

    • 55 ju
      January 7, 2010 at 12:11

      If all you see in naruto is a whining crybaby and whatever wanna be then you have no idea what the story is about. The story is about a kid who is hated by everyone because a demon was stored inside him. It’s not his fault but everyone blindly hates him just because of it so he becomes rebellious and a troublesome kid trying to get attention. He also fails at school so basically he’s a loser.

      In the later parts of the story he decides to work hard instead to prove to the people and he impresses everyone by defeating a top rank genius in a one on one fight. I could continue more but there are just so many lessons you can learn by reading naruto.

      Read the manga, don’t watch the show. You miss out on so much stuff when you watch the shows. I for one only watch the shows to see the best fights and stuff.

  22. 56 Arcfelonas
    January 6, 2010 at 20:15

    I take Tiny is something of an explosives expert then :) Good work as always

  23. 59 ju
    January 7, 2010 at 12:13

    I for one actually like BTT. The only thing that really bugs me is that Hani seems to be this invincible elf warrior. I would like to see her get taken down and then rise up and pwn them all. That would be nice to see

    • 60 Nhani
      January 7, 2010 at 13:17

      I actually find it funny how people read her as invincible; I can see why it happens, though I generally hold it up as a shining example that Beyond the Tree shouldn’t be read at face value.

      After all, to some degree, describing her as invincible means having asked the question “Why hasn’t she lost yet?” Personally, I think it might be more interesting to ask “If she’s that capable.. why is she only going about trying to find some unknown miners lost in a cave?”

    • 61 Gordrake Thunderhoof
      January 8, 2010 at 16:04

      You must’ve missed the page, then, where Hani did get knocked out then, back a few chapters ago. Or near the start of “Call to Adventure” against the machine where she had to bandage herself up after the attack. She’s not invincible by a long shot (and there is evidence to support that) but she’s not some rookie, dry behind the ears wannabe warrior either – and the skills she mastered as a Sentinel undoubtedly are evident a lot in what she does.

      Perhaps reading back from the start might help in understanding a lot of things in this comic. Just as a suggestion.

      • 62 Nhani
        January 8, 2010 at 21:06

        Well, like I said, I can see why it happens, really. Since in many ways, Beyond the Tree – or at least the Journey of Hani Foonmall – is the archetypal Hero Journey, albeit with a twist.

        In the typical Hero Journey, the young – rarely past 20 – hero starts with the potential and the destination, but not the means. Consider Luke Skywalker who is quickly shown to have the potential and is given the destination – to defeat the empire – but lacks the means. He must first learn the ways of the force, become a Jedi and face his inner darkness before he can truly triumph.

        Seen like that, Hani definitely has an air of invincibility around her, because she already has the means. The thing with Hani, though, is that she never was meant to lack the means – she lacks the destination.

  24. 63 Dryleaf
    January 7, 2010 at 13:47

    My two cents on the ‘Stupid’ by Hani.
    She is pissed when she kills Chekov, for in her eyes Tiny is missing/presumed dead.
    Then the little one shows up (unharmed and happy) and she is relieved but does not know how to show or say it.
    Thus the ‘Stupid’ while she averts her eyes.
    In my eyes it realy shows she has a softer side, just can’t show it (yet)
    Or maybe i read to much between the panes ^^

    Anyway keep up the good work!

    • 64 Nhani
      January 7, 2010 at 15:28

      Well personally, I think that might be called reading just enough between the panes, really. Whether true or not (how ambiguous of me, a-hah!), I approve of this interpretation.

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