#212 – “Disarmed with Canon”

As the initial plan went, this was intended as the first time we see Edwin VanCleef; I took great care to avoid his name being mentioned within the narrative to raise a question as to whether he was even there. In the end though, I don’t think a single person actually went for it.

Soooo, I put his introduction a little earlier to get something else out of it, and instead of implying he might not be there, settling for implying that they might miss him entirely. As a result, it becomes all the more apparent that it ends up being him that seeks them out, rather than what you’d normally have.


43 Responses to “#212 – “Disarmed with Canon””

  1. 1 TC
    July 29, 2010 at 13:44

    Ooo there he is! excellent job with the cape on him.. Lapdogs all of you. <3

  2. 2 Bexy
    July 29, 2010 at 14:16

    I would love to have a wallpaper of the last panel with Van Cleef. He sure looks dapper with the cape of the brotherhood!

  3. 4 Skyll K. Chagorantis
    July 29, 2010 at 14:39


    Just, what’s up with VanCleef’s right arm and cloak? :)

  4. 6 Karl
    July 29, 2010 at 15:19

    Taking the essential story and content but changing it to make sense for a single player experience works for me. That the entire shipfull of Defias doesn’t mob you as soon as you blast the doors in-game doesn’t make any sense, and is only done for game balance anyway.

  5. 7 Moltrazahn
    July 29, 2010 at 15:36

    You’ve really depicted him great Nhani! .. I must agree on the idea of a Wallpaper with him in a pose like that… and GOD ive farmed that cape some times.. ahh so many memories all in one single screen… You’ve made my day, thanks Nhani :D awesomesauce of win as allways ^^

    ps: Poor mechanical Tiny-machine of doom lies broken :< (It must join as a permanent part of the crew! *nodnod*)

    • 8 Nhani
      July 30, 2010 at 09:05

      It nobly sacrificed itself for the rest of the group and has gone to the Grand Explosion that is the goblin machine afterlife.

  6. 9 Arlandin
    July 29, 2010 at 19:03

    Final Boss!

    So, is it gonna be a one-hit kill kinda thing or will we actually see some nice fighting and dodging on VanCleef’s side?

  7. 10 Morbium
    July 29, 2010 at 20:07

    Van Cleef.

    I always liked the guy.

    Terrible fighter, not so great strategian, but a master dreamer.

    He’s the man that made Stormwind. From the walls of the castle to the cathedral it was the stonemasons that did it.

    It’ll be a pity to see him go here, I always found Blizz did away with him too early.

    • 11 Nhani
      July 30, 2010 at 09:13

      Interestingly enough, VanCleef seems to have proven a fair bit more memorable than many technically much grander (and higher leveled) foes – part because VanCleef is simply that much more developed on, and isn’t just evil for the sake of being evil. The bits we’re given does explain – but not excuse – the path he took, making his perhaps more of a cautionary tale.

  8. 12 Eduvudd
    July 29, 2010 at 20:34

    I agree that it sucks that hes gone, but deadmines still lives on since his daughter took up the mantle. But I’m really excited to see how this fight will go out! :D

    Oh, are you planing to do anything with Cookie? or will he just wander around like nothing happened?

  9. 16 LolDrood
    July 29, 2010 at 22:28


    Hehehe, I invented a new game, it’s called “Pretend VanCleef talks like Revolver Ocelot”

    • 17 Nhani
      July 30, 2010 at 08:34

      Interestingly enough, while scripting up most of the various dialogue (and monologue!) he gets, I actually ended up picturing him voiced by Tim Curry. And it was somewhere between frighteningly awesome and utterly hilarious.

      • 18 Ilyara
        July 30, 2010 at 13:56

        How d’you do, Aaaah see you’ve met maaah faithful…Handyman!
        He’s just a little brought down because…when you knocked…He thought you were the…Candyman!

        Don’t get strung out…by the way that ah look…Don’t judge a book by its cover
        Ahm not much of a man bah the light of day,
        But by night ahm one hell of a loverrrr!

  10. 20 Elnória
    July 30, 2010 at 00:27

    Ah, VanCleef, in all his awesome, did absolutely deserve a catchy opening phrase! And he did it well, too. I’ve got a great deal of admiration for that guy already, and I think this does nothing but heighten it. As always, great job! I’m thrilled by the tension rising. :-)

  11. 21 Abd Al-Azrad
    July 30, 2010 at 01:10

    Well you know what they say Smite…
    Those who aren’t welcome…
    *Puts on Sunglasses*
    Walk the plank…

  12. 23 Cirena
    July 30, 2010 at 03:01

    This would be a good moment to jump on that great wheel in the background to reset aggro!

  13. 24 Hroxigar
    July 30, 2010 at 05:59

    So, I’m sure this has been asked at some point… but are we gonna see Vanessa?

    • 25 Ninerva
      July 30, 2010 at 06:10

      According to lore, Vanessa’s adopted by the Saldeans after Edwin VanCleef dies. Since she’s an adult in Cataclysm, she’s probably pretty young here, and probably not even in the Deadmines.

      As for the upcoming fight, I’m sure Hani can handle VanCleef easily, but that leaves Te and Areen to deal with his lackeys, and it seems like Tiny is out of tricks.

      • 26 Nhani
        July 30, 2010 at 09:22

        Not quite decided on Vanessa yet; like I’ve said earlier, I haven’t planned for her, so the only purpose it’d really serve is to give a nod towards events in Cataclysm. There’s a definitive limit to how much (and what) I can do with her due to what the situation will be, but we’ll see when we get there.

      • 27 Hroxigar
        July 30, 2010 at 13:28

        Actually *spoilers*, during some Alliance chain quest, you use something to observe the events of the Deadmines, and watch 5 Alliance soldiers kill Vancleef. After it’s done and they leave, you see Vanessa pop out with a tear jerking “Daddy…..”. Though her age is totally ambiguous due to Blizzard having all of 2 child models.

  14. 28 Eduvudd
    July 30, 2010 at 09:55

    Actually, from what I read, Vanessa actually watched her father being attacked and killed by the players, so even if you dont show her in the comics it’d still make a bit of sense, cause shes not even seen in the actual Deadmines, probabally in some other room or lurking in the shadows.

    That VanCleef family, vveerrryy sneaky :P

    • 29 Nhani
      July 30, 2010 at 10:05

      This is pretty much why I’m not certain whether I’ll offer a glimpse or not – obviously, the group effectively can’t notice her since between Areen and Te’len, there’s no way they’d leave a young child in such a place. (and the likelyhood of her going with the people who just killed her father is.. low)

      I don’t have anything planned with her myself, so showing her really has no purpose other than just to give a nod to Blizzard in a “yes, she’s there” kind of way. So, still deciding whether that’d be interesting or not.

      Besides, I’m not entirely sure what I’d make of her, since her timeline is.. weird. She’s shown as a little girl when her father dies, but an adult in Cataclysm: the “official” timeline gives her only three (four, at most) years to make that transition, which .. really isn’t enough. If we count more the passage of real time, presuming that VanCleef was killed around when World of Warcraft got started, it’s more around 6-7 years.. which fits a whole lot better.

      • 30 canecorpus
        July 30, 2010 at 22:01

        Some NPCs in the beta states it has been 20 years since the start of the events in Outlands. So probably at least that from Van Cleef’s death -> Vanessa in Cataclysm.

        • 31 Nhani
          July 31, 2010 at 00:36

          20?! Sure they don’t mean the events of Beyond the Dark Portal (Warcraft 2) rather than the Burning Crusade with that? (still, that should be over 20 years..)

          Do you have a direct quote/screenshot of what they say? Since every single reference I can find on the matter seems to suggest that Blizzard basically has each expansion be a year from the prior one, which really isn’t much time for someone to grow up in.

        • 32 LolDrood
          July 31, 2010 at 03:35

          There’s an angry dwarf in HH that talks about being stranded in Hellfire for 20 years before the Dark Portal was reopened to allow us all in to kill mobs and get epic greens. So that’s 20 between WCII:Beyond the Dark Portal until BC.

          oh, pretties! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/timeline.html it doesn’t mention Cat yet, though.

          • 33 Nhani
            July 31, 2010 at 08:13

            Okay, I did a quick counting. Seeing how there’s two main timeline variants around, depending on whether World of Warcraft happened about 25 or 30 years after the Dark Portal first opened.. according to the former, there’s been 18 years between Beyond the Dark Portal and Burning Crusade; the latter says it’s been 23.

            Both of them suggest it’s only 3-4 years at most between VanCleef’s death and Cataclysm.

            Personally, I think they should’ve put more time between each expansion so events don’t end up so absurdly compressed, but that might just be me.

            • 34 LolDrood
              July 31, 2010 at 10:25

              Worst comes to worst, we’ll just blame the Infinite Dragonflight for screwing with the time lines.

  15. 35 Eduvudd
    July 30, 2010 at 09:58

    I dont usealy post this much, but looks like a lil bit more was added to her as well! http://www.wowwiki.com/Vanessa_VanCleef

  16. 36 saila AKS Wester
    July 30, 2010 at 10:19

    hmm well we can alwasy to this show nothing now and when we meet here later we do an flash back back here and show her. easy enough maybe an bit cheap.

  17. July 30, 2010 at 11:50

    I’m sorry but…

    Come on, he has the cape and everything!

    On topic I loved how you did the cape and Vancleef’s intro. How did you do the cape anyway?

    • 38 Nhani
      July 30, 2010 at 12:11

      Hah! I’ll admit, I wasn’t at all thinking of Darth Vader.. interesting how well that comparison works in retrospect.

      As for the cape.. seeing how people wanted a larger render of the last pane, I made a post regarding his design. It’ll mention where it came from.

    • 39 Nirene Feathersong
      July 31, 2010 at 00:41

      I can actually imagine how VanCleef barge in at the scene with the Darth Vader-type of voice – and of course the heavy breathing – with the slow-mo version of the Darth Vader theme song playing in the background, now that you mentioned it. ^^

  18. 40 Timber Wolf
    July 30, 2010 at 17:08

    Nice look, VC.

  19. 41 kwah
    July 31, 2010 at 20:43

    o no captain angst is here run for your lives!

  20. 42 megafire
    August 4, 2010 at 02:05

    Love it!

  21. September 26, 2011 at 01:02

    Lol rampage this is just the warm-ups from their previous rampages.

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