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#246 – “Narrative Vehicle”



Of course, calling Tiny honorable may be pushing it just a little.

I hate when a speech bubble goes into three lines length – occasionally it’s necessary, but I’ll often try very hard to cut dialogue so it doesn’t happen. I’ll generally rather have two bubbles of up to two lines each than a single one with three. Of course, admittedly it’s an issue with my speech font being much taller than wide, but all the same.

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17 Responses to “#246 – “Narrative Vehicle””


  1. 1 Cobs
    January 23, 2011 at 21:08

    Yay! More Areen background! \o/

  2. 2 Ilyara
    January 24, 2011 at 05:44

    She is so noble :3

  3. 3 Kayeri
    January 24, 2011 at 07:35

    Wow, Hani can sleep anywhere if she can sleep in a wagon which isn’t a really smooth way to travel… ::chuckle::

    • 4 Synchronizor
      January 24, 2011 at 09:03

      Especially a wagon with octagonal wheels.

    • 5 Gne
      January 24, 2011 at 09:56

      well considering the condition she is in, maybe by now she is more unconscious then sleeping. the other will just notice in the moment they want to get her off the vehicle.

      • 6 Nhani
        January 25, 2011 at 01:43

        I tend to think it as a little of both; she’s clearly capable of waking up, but I think unless something out of order happens to put her on alert and kick her back into the present, she’s probably drifting in and out of consciousness while basically trying to sleep the injuries off.

  4. 7 LolDrood
    January 24, 2011 at 09:14

    Well, when you say it like THAT, it sounds silly. -_-

    Do paladins get ‘knighted’? Semantics, I know, but I think knighting is a pretty specific term.

    • 8 Cobs
      January 24, 2011 at 16:20

      Paladins started out as a sort of initiates (or Junior Paladin), being assigned to a senior Paladin, who taught them all they needed to know. It’s also safe to surmise that aspiring Paladin defenders received additional training from the priests, especially in the basics of the Light’s philosophy.

      Upon completion, Paladins took the Oath, which was a rather grand ceremony that was preside (usually) by the Archbishop, a delegation of the Brotherhood of Northshire Abbey (even if it took place in Lordaeron), and lastly members of the Order of the Silver Hand.

      However, unlike real world knighting, there was no sword used in order to lightly touch the shoulders of the Paladin-to-be, but instead there was used a blue stole, which was placed around the neck of the Paladin-to-be by a Northshire cleric, and then his forehead was anointed with holy oil by another cleric. After that it was the Order of the Silver Hand’s turn; two Paladins would approach, one bearing a pair of shoulder-plates and the other a two-handed hammer (the customary weapon of theirs).

      When this was done, the Archbishop would then read aloud from a specific tome, and ask the Paladin-to-be if he’d vow this and that, to which he/she obviously had to reply “I do.” And after that the Paladin-to-be would be required to stand as the clerics of Northshire and the Paladin defenders would hold their hands toward him/her and draw upon the Light to illuminate (and seemingly empower) the Paladin-to-be.

      Once this was done, the Archbishop would proclaim that the person was now a Paladin defender, and would thus welcome him/her to the Order of the Silver Hand.

      A more detailed version of the same is described in Metzen’s “Of Blood and Honor”, which details what exactly took place with Tirion Fordring, Eitrigg and the former’s banishment and exile. Another detailed version would be the Arthas novel, in which a detailed description is of how Arthas is made a Paladin in the Cathedral of Stormwind (if memory serves).

      • 9 LolDrood
        January 25, 2011 at 01:09

        Right, I assume there was some ceremony to becoming a paladin proper. I’m just saying, being knighted is not merely ceremonious, it’s an actual thing, involving land and fealty and running surfs and being part of the governmental hierarchy. (not so much true these days, but back when, I mean)

        Becoming a paladin seems more akin to mixing up being knighted, being ordained, and getting your pilot’s certification. I’m not sure if there’s a word for that. :/
        I now coin the phrase, “SPOON!”. I think we can all go forward a little more sure-footed with this knowledge.

        • 10 Nhani
          January 25, 2011 at 01:32

          While I assume you mean serfs, the image of a knight in full plate surfing is somewhat radical. Like “Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude!”

          ..I should consider making a render of that.

          This said, seeing how leisurely Warcraft has thrown the phrase around in the past, I think the setting seems to use the term in a much more casual meaning; it certainly includes status, but there doesn’t seem to be much of a feudal hierarchy with knights and whatnot. Stewarding land seems to be put mostly in the hands of direct nobles and magistrates (though farmers and such do seem to own their own land much of the time), with Knights seeming more like warriors with heightened status who have sworn fealty to something – whether this would be the crown or the Holy Light or what have you.

          For the record, Areen’s description of how the Silver Hand works is something I promptly stole from what I’ve observed of the Order of the Silver Hand (also abbreviated as OSHi–) guild on Earthen Ring. They have a tendency of impressing me with their knowledge of the Holy Light and their attempts at acting proper (which puts them waaaaaay above the vast majority of Paladins I’ve ran into), so I feel reasonably comfortable with taking their word for it.

          • 11 LolDrood
            January 25, 2011 at 08:57

            History oft overlooks the brave and noble actions of the Royal Hang-Ten legions during the crusades. Not as much as God’s Chosen Dancefight Choreography Trope and Trebuchet Battalion, but they were mostly French, so who cares?

            Fun fact: wordpress doesn’t know trebuchet. Or wordpress. This amuses me.

            • 12 Cobs
              January 25, 2011 at 19:57

              As opposed to the regular “Knights of the Realm”, Paladin defenders were more closely tied to the Church of Light, which signifies them as a religious order rather that of a King’s man, who oversees a piece of land (or indeed territory) on behalf of his liege.

              However, due to the Paladin defenders being heavily involved with the Alliance (also due to the Church of Light being allied with the same for very obvious reasons), they -did- indeed sometimes oversee principalities. Example is the Alliance principality of Hearthglen, which was overseen and indeed ruled by Paladin Lord Tirion Fordring ere his expulsion from the Order of the Silver Hand and exile from the Kingdom of Lordaeron.

              And some of the Paladin defenders were recruited from the regular Knights of both Lordaeron and Stormwind, and most likely from the other Human nations. They would naturally keep their ancestral lands, so to speak, albeit swearing fealty not only to the Order (and as such the Church, since it had birthed the Order), but also to the King of the nation they operated in. This evidently also led to them being subject to the laws of the nation they were in, but at the same time to the Alliance as a whole.

              Er, so to sum it up: Religious Order, and not necessarily land holders, unless they were so from before entering the Order, and unless charged with the supervision of a piece of land under the rule of the Alliance rather than any one nation.

    • 13 Nirene Feathersong
      January 25, 2011 at 01:00

      I would say that paladins are the Warcraft version of “knights”, bluntly speaking.

      There’s some obvious references to it, like “The Knights of the Silver Hand”, a.k.a. “The Order of the Silver Hand”

      Then we have the “Blood Knights”, which is the new Blood Elf paladin order at the current date.

      And knowing the way paladins get “baptized”, it’s very similar to the Middle Age knight traditions. So yea, you could say paladins get “knighted”.

  5. 14 Agimam
    January 24, 2011 at 22:39

    Te’len leg, yum x3

  6. 15 Ewiryh
    January 27, 2011 at 11:02

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the “Silver Hand” split up years ago? Into Argent Dawn and Scarlet Crusade?

    • 16 Nhani
      January 27, 2011 at 11:19

      The Order/Knights of the Silver Hand is one of those places in the lore where Blizzard maintain a distinct lack of consistency. Not only were they simultaneously disbanded by Arthas Menethil and maintaining in active duty, but they supposedly also set up anew in Kalimdor, set up anew in Stormwind and split up to become the Scarlet Crusade (which eventually spawned the Argent Dawn after some of its members realized the leadership had gone down the toilet).

      Back pre-Cataclysm, the quest line with Tirion Fordring in Eastern Plaguelands had him mention that he was going to start the Silver Hand up again, all while several old quest givers in Stormwind happily remarked that Alliance Paladins already were members of the Silver Hand.

      So yeah. Not bad for an order whose numbers were supposedly decimated by the third war.

      • 17 Cobs
        January 27, 2011 at 12:08

        And when more actively allowing Dwarves into their midst, the Dwarves seemingly actively used the title “Knight of the Silver Hand”, too, as was evident in the old starter quests in Dun Morogh.

        As to the decimation, one also has to bear in mind that the Paladins that stayed true to the Light were immune to the first plague, as developed by the “old” Lich King, so the decimation was pretty much death-by-combat (or just to join the Lich King’s forces).

        Howbeit there have been hints that some of the surviving Lordaeronians grew suspicious of the Paladins, due to their immunity to the plague, that perchance one or two (or more) could’ve been ruthlessly slain by an angry mob. Oh, conspiracy theories! What morbid fun.


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