#250 – “Back to where it all didn’t Begin”

Memory is a relative and selective thing; we can remember fondly (and long towards) experiences that when directly experienced frustrate or bother us immensely. Though in Te’len’s defense, they really have gone through a fair bit.

Speaking of frustrations, while assembling this page I noticed I needed a few extra backdrops, so I went about getting them.. and quickly discovered that not only had some random dragon swung by and severely damaged several constructions (including the statue the page starts with), thereby proving my theory that all dragons are cretins, but someone had apparently decided it’d be immensely funny to impede my progress by placing red banners, flower wreaths and hearts everywhere.

Daaaaamn youuu Blizzaaardddddd~!!

Ahem. As for why this page is one day late, well. I was distracted while putting it together, so only managed to get it half done.


42 Responses to “#250 – “Back to where it all didn’t Begin””

  1. 1 Foggy
    February 7, 2011 at 18:32

    Oh. I am with Te’len. That’s why i live on the countryside.

    Hmmmm. I see trouble coming ahead. Tiny’s mouth, Te’len’s dress and the mood Hani seems to be in……

    Let’s see.

  2. 2 CN
    February 7, 2011 at 19:22

    Congrats to #250 :D

    If looks could kill, Hani’s would be enough for a genocide here /scared

  3. 3 Cobs
    February 7, 2011 at 19:47

    Funny title, good joke with Te’len thinking it’ll be quiet, Stillbreeze made me chuckle, and is there a chance that I saw a certain Guardsman over yonder amongst the crowd? =>

  4. 6 Agimam
    February 7, 2011 at 21:49

    I don’t really like the new eyes.

    • 7 Agimam
      February 7, 2011 at 21:49

      They look sort of emotionless..

      • 8 Ilyara
        February 8, 2011 at 01:04

        More emotionless than flat white? O_O

        They have corneas and pupils now… O_o

        ….and they move <_<

        I really like them *shrug* ^_^

      • 9 Nhani
        February 8, 2011 at 12:07

        While I did expect more negative feedback than there has been.. admittedly, this one I’m not sure what to make of. Emotionless? I’m not seeing it; especially since the main expression is still done via cheeks, mouth and eyebrows – and that hasn’t changed all that much.

        If anything, I’d admit to them occasionally being creepy – Hani in particular has gained this very piercing glare in the change. I’m fine with that much, though – she’s supposed to be a degree of unsettling.

        • 10 Cobs
          February 8, 2011 at 12:10

          Her gaze is awesome. Exactly the look a certain not-so-shiny Knight should look like when glaring. >=)

          Really does look like she could pierce someone with her eyes alone!

    • 11 LolDrood
      February 8, 2011 at 10:40

      You, sir, are worse then Hitler.

      Te’len: Feels like forever since we’ve been here last.
      Rei: Well, it certainly hasn’t been well over a year, you can bet on that!
      *Group laughter, still frame, roll end credits*

      bleeters: Exodar, yo. Might be different on other servers, but if there’s more then 5 people there at any given time, it’s a busy day.

  5. 12 bleeters
    February 8, 2011 at 03:50

    Oddly, that scene is pretty quiet compared to Stormwind these days :(

    Another reason I set my hearth to the upside down boat you start Vashj’ir quests from. If there’s a more secluded place to live, I haven’t found it yet.

    (I like the new eyes)

  6. 13 Telaani
    February 8, 2011 at 10:33

    Pst! There’s a bit of red banner showing in that corner there!

    Just kidding :3.

    • 14 Nhani
      February 8, 2011 at 11:44

      AAAAH, RED BANNER, MY NEMESI~Oh. uhm. Ahahaha—haa?

      *grumbles in a corner*

      • 15 Cobs
        February 8, 2011 at 12:09

        *sings loudly!*

        “Then raise the scarlet standard high,
        Within its shade we’ll live and die,
        Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
        We’ll keep the red flag flying here!”

  7. 16 Ceric
    February 8, 2011 at 17:30

    It has been over a year. I mean they must be at least 1 level older. SW has had “Decoration Problems” since then.

  8. 17 Kevin
    February 8, 2011 at 19:50

    Ok ive read every chapter of this, and the idea keeps coming up, please make a machinima of this. i swaer how good it is, It would have atleast 1mil views in 6 days.The exspesions are perfect the models are that of a perfesional cgi movie maker o.o

    Btt ftw lol

    • 18 Nhani
      February 9, 2011 at 12:18

      There’s a few added obstacles with machinima – part that I’m actually not all that good at animation (prior attempts have proven rather stilted and unnatural), part that it’s very time-consuming. I’ve been wanting to give it another try sometime, but I haven’t really found the time for it, nor an idea that I like enough that still felt simple and doable enough.

      The problem is that I can’t really have them go around talking as that’d require voices, but action scenes are all the more difficult. I may do some quick tests eventually when I’m less preoccupied, but we’ll see.

  9. 19 saila AKS Wester
    February 9, 2011 at 18:31

    well voices I bet blizzard could lend an hand if we ask them nicely. nice page by the way bet it took ages to make the next last one whit the crowd there and all.

  10. February 11, 2011 at 00:06

    All I can say is Danath is gonna be more pissed than you are about his statue… I hope eventually the old “Warcraft II heroes” come back to Azeroth. The Blizzcon panel with Alleria and Turlyon as “running gags” really frustrated me.

    Also, I just noticed that the crowd is entirely made out of humans… I think you could diversify it a bit by adding some other races that live in Stormwind, like some dwarves or High Elves. Extra flavor never hurt anyone. :D

    • 21 Nhani
      February 11, 2011 at 00:14

      Unfortunately, what you just noticed is entirely untrue because there’s an entire truckload of similarily-dressed dwarves in there. Mind you, only one of them is reasonably near and facing the camera, but looking closely I’m pretty sure I’m seeing a pack of like five or six identical ones walking on a fairly straight line.. and now I can’t even un-see that either, gah!

      No high elves though. Might consider them for future city scenes.

  11. 24 Kevin
    February 11, 2011 at 08:10

    Note that little thing is really funny”seven dwarves ” anyway arent high elfs known as blood elfs now and arent they horde???

    • 25 Nhani
      February 11, 2011 at 10:26

      Not all, no – there’s still a scattered amount of ye olde High elves (and half elves) in places – even in NPC form. That said, this is a pretty strong association going (especially if you’re not close enough to see the blue eyes, as opposed to green) as here shown, so it feels like showing high elves around might not really come across properly.

      • 26 GRYFFYN
        February 13, 2011 at 19:57

        If you get close enough to tell the difference between green eyes and blue eyes on the elves, you are probably going to be very sorry if it’s bloodelf mage with a bad attitude.

    • 27 Frostsaben
      February 11, 2011 at 18:01

      7 dwarves in a line… and Hani is Snow White? And VanCleef and his pistol were the wicked witch with the bad apple? This must be a new vision of the story. Only the prince is missing.

  12. 28 Synchronizor
    February 11, 2011 at 10:37

    After the destruction of the Sunwell, the surviving High Elves renamed themselves Blood Elves in honor of their fallen, and began to seek out other sources of magic to slake their thirst Consumption of these substitute power sources (especially fel magic) made their eyes turn green.

    There were a few among them, however, who were able to overcome their magic addictions, and remained High Elves.

    Since only a small percentage of High Elves survived the scourge invasion, and only a tiny number of those survivors overcame their magic cravings, High Elves are few and far between in the time period of WoW.

  13. 29 Cobs
    February 11, 2011 at 12:01

    And in Stormwind alone there lived 20.000 High Elves prior to the Cataclysm. Might well be that some snuffed it when Deathwing came flying by, going all “O hai, I’m here to light your fire!”

    • 30 Synchronizor
      February 11, 2011 at 12:39

      I believe those numbers (if true) reflect High Elf populations before most of them joined Kael’Thas and became Blood Elves.

      However, Wowpedia’s citation for that figure points to page 9 of World of Warcraft The Roleplaying Game, but my copy does not say anything about High Elf populations there. The only passage I can think of on Stormwind’s High Elf population is on page 13, and simply says “…a fair number of high elves…dwell here as well”

  14. February 11, 2011 at 21:12

    Boy, I had no intention to start something like this! And the second I posted that, I noticed the dwarf smack dab in the middle… d’oh!

    I’m STILL surprised to hear people ask if “high elves” exist after WOTLK… I mean, Dalaran is FULL of high elves! They have their own faction! The Argent Tournament is full of them too!

    Also, the numbers are AFTER the third war/pre WOW, so they’re “sorta” current. We had a discussion on Wowwiki (now Wowpedia) about it. Things get pretty iffy when actual “World of Warcraft” lore starts, but from a lore standpoint, the combined high elf and half elf population in Stormwind is about the same as the Dwarf population.
    Human (140,000)
    Ironforge Dwarf (28,000)
    High elf (20,000)
    Half-elf (8,000)
    Night Elf (4,000)

    So one or two high elves and a night elf thrown in there would be appropriate. Its your comic though, and its up to you to decide what and who you’ll put in. ^ ^ If you listened to all of our ideas/thoughts, it wouldn’t be your comic! :D

    • 32 Synchronizor
      February 11, 2011 at 22:46

      Do you remember what the actual source is for those numbers? I haven’t been able to find them myself, and the citations on Wowpedia are either wrong, or for a different version of the roleplaying books.

      • 33 Nhani
        February 11, 2011 at 23:03

        After some searching, I found that the source is Lands of Conflict (page 52 specifically), which – among other things – states the following:

        Population: 200,000 (70% human, 14% Ironforge dwarf, 10% high elf, 4% half-elf, 2% night elf)

        All this said, I’m glad that there’s calls for sources, as come Cataclysm especially I’ve seen a lot of speculation/assumption-as-fact going on, especially in the case of how long a span of time is supposed to have passed between Wrath and Cataclysm.

        • 34 Synchronizor
          February 11, 2011 at 23:23

          Alright, that’s one I don’t have.

          Now that you mention the time gap between WotLK and Cataclysm, I’ve been looking into that some myself. There are NPCs in Mount Hyjal who say it’s been 10 years since the Battle, but there are other things, like Anduin’s age, that suggest otherwise.

          The ten years makes the most sense to me, as that would be four years from WC3 to WoW (official), 2 years of Vanilla, 2 years of BC, and 2 years of WotLK. That leaves us neatly with the stated decade bridging the Battle of Mount Hyjal with the Shattering.

          However, I’ve heard a lot of people mention blue posts (that I’ve had no luck finding) that state each expansion only represents one year in the actual Warcraft timeline. This also matches Anduin’s aging from 10 to 13 years old by the Shattering.

        • 35 LolDrood
          February 12, 2011 at 02:18

          10% / 20,000 Helfs? I don’t buy that for a second.

          Stormwind was still being rebuilt during the Third War, there’s very little reason for any sizable number of High Elves to be there, or the surrounding continent, before the fall of Quel’Thalas. If every elf in existence who wasn’t killed, or went blood, decided to move to SW, then -maybe-. Most of the Helfs not killed were either in Outlands during the War, in small outposts and villages, or in Dalaran.

          10% of the SW population being High Elves reeks of an arbitrary number someone at blizz pulled out of their ass for fan service. Why, of COURSE you can role play as a High Elf in Stormwind! Have fun! And why not roll a Tauren Paladin next, that sounds so KEEN!

      • February 11, 2011 at 23:07

        The sources are the “Lands of Conflict” and “World of Warcraft:The Roleplaying Game” according to Wowpedia. There is some discussion about it on the Stormwind “talk” page if you want more information.


  15. 40 Gorrefrog
    February 12, 2011 at 03:52

    i must say your new eyes on your character are amazing, i was looking trough the early parts of your comic again to compare the early stages and the current. The development of your characters detail is just outstanding.

    Looking forward to 251 :)

  16. 41 Kayeri
    February 21, 2011 at 18:18

    and btw, I know I didnt say this back when you first posted this, but I think the facial expressions are awesome! That last panel is just priceless for their faces… :)

  17. February 9, 2013 at 09:37

    LOL @ Tee’s comment combined with Hani’s expression.

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